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Back in the early '50s there were reports of aliens from underground facilities in Iron Canyon (in the El Paso Mountains northeast of Mojave) who ran possibly dangerous machines on the surface at night. I would be interested in any links to stories and folklore related to that region. Thanks in advance for any leads you can share.
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Re: Iron Canyon
Thu, September 27, 2007 - 9:53 PMI think this is going to require research.
please privately send grid corners for the suspect region ASAP and we will get on it.
our breathren are usually easy to explain.
-o
ps: sorry i don't log in as often as i should ;)
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Re: Iron Canyon
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 4:39 PMPaydirt.
www.cyberspaceorbit.com/timetunnel.html
i have a bigger more heavily researched reply, but i'm not done with it yet.
This link may be a big part of the manchine modern legend.
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Re: Iron Canyon
Tue, February 19, 2008 - 8:28 PMThanks for that. I'd come across that in some of my searches on this. The author was a teacher in my home town (small world). I tried writing him for more details, no reply. It's not a bad backgrounder, but ultimately another collection of second-hand anecdotes; his own direct experience there was odd perhaps, but even by his own description not particularly otherworldly. And at the end, there's no objective evidence, no photos, no interesting materials, nothing but some good descriptions of the people he'd met (he is an enjoyable).
One oddity is that there are three canyons in the southern El Paso mountains called "Iron Canyon", depending on who you read: USGS, Google Maps, and some hiking guides each have different ones.
Maybe the best way to investigate this is experientially; perhaps I'll grab my camera and my backpack and and spend a night or two.. There's so much to explore in those mysterious hills....
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Re: Iron Canyon
Thu, February 21, 2008 - 11:42 AMSounds like a roadtrip and renegade party adventure to me.
Lets make a list of Alien hotspots and plan camping trips.
Even if we only did say 4 a year, it would be fun to see these places for ourselves.
Maybe even have our own incounters.
If you where an alien would you want to come down and hang with some scared farmers or aggressive government types
No, you would you want to check out funky creatures, groovin and loving life.
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Re: Iron Canyon
Thu, February 21, 2008 - 12:45 PM> If you where an alien would you want to come down and hang with some scared
> farmers or aggressive government types
> No, you would you want to check out funky creatures, groovin and loving life.
Amen to that, sister.
I'm game for an expedition. I have a fairly flexible schedule, and know a bit about the area. Let's gather a few folks and arrange a carpool and do it. With all the rain we might even see some good wildflowers.
BTW: Your Zebriski Point pic is truly awesome.
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Re: Iron Canyon
Fri, February 22, 2008 - 12:28 AMThis link has a set of topographic maps of the area. Enjoy.
www.blm.gov/ca/pa/wilder...ountains.html
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Re: Iron Canyon
Fri, February 22, 2008 - 8:39 AMThe El Paso Mountains Wilderness is but a small part of the range, encompassing just Black Mountain itself. The rest of the range is mostly non-wilderness land managed by the BLM, with a few private holdings interspersed (some of which are active mining claims, though not so much for gold anymore).
There are a great many mysteries on Black Mountain, but no stories related to aliens or "manchines"; mostly just prehistoric artifacts (house rings, tool chippings, etc., from the Kawaiisu indians who regard Black Mountain as a sacred place, and are said to have had large annual inter-tribal gatherings there). The Wilderness and much of the surrounding area is considered an ACEC (Area of Critical Environmental Concern); if you go, tread lightly, take nothing, leave no trace. And never touch rock art: not only do the oils on human hands alter the stone patina which has a minute but measurable effect on image degradation, but Kawaiisu legend says that touching rock art will make you go blind. Best to heed those who made it, out of respect if nothing else.
The "Iron Canyon" noted on the USGS topos is southeast of Black Mountain, just above the old ghost town ruins of Garlock:
www.topozone.com/map.asp
I have a hiking guide of Red Rock Canyon State Park which also lists what most call "Scenic Canyon" as being "Iron Canyon". That one's to the west of what the USGS calls Iron Canyon, inside the park boundaries.
Some other maps list the canyon to the west of Mesquite Canyon as "Iron Canyon", but I'm assuming both those and the RRCSP hiking guide are just wrong.
But when we're talking about folklore, sometimes an unofficial name is the one people are using, so we can't rule out that the "manchines" may be in any of three locations (if, of course, such things exist at all).
Given the USGS process for making topos, and the generally high quality of the groundwork done for them on the El Pasos, I would try to one listed on the USGS maps first.
This would also seem to correspond most closely with the folklore, much of it from people in Randsburg (just southeast of Garlock), who refer to Iron Canyon as being very close to Randsburg. Of the three possible Iron Canyons, the one on the USGS is the closest to Randsburg. -
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Re: Iron Canyon
Fri, February 22, 2008 - 10:53 AMvery interesting, i saw some strange shit out there one time. bright light like a comet or bomb coming down and exploded. we were looking for a party and had made a wrong turn and were way out in the cuts and hills of jawbone northwestern parts, was wierd whatever it was it was huge and bright and made a loud explosion when impacting the earth. prob a bomb testing or something but it seemed odd, maybe a meteor -
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Re: Iron Canyon
Fri, February 22, 2008 - 4:56 PMIf it was to the north it might well have been a bomb. That's where China Lake Naval Weapons Station is. Lots of bombing goes on there, and some say that's where they moved all the high-end R&D from Area 51 once A51 had become a tourist attraction, which may account for some of the UFO stories in the area.
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Re: Iron Canyon
Sat, March 1, 2008 - 5:44 PMHello All,
Re; El Paso and the surrounding "mountain wilderness", El Paso Del Norte is an area which is known for its recidivistive (suspected) AOP visits. Most notably the Organ Mountain range abutts three of the most highly active US Army areas on the continent. In the '60s McGreggor Range (US Army guided missile live fire test range) and also a mere 45 mi further up the original ExtraTerrestrial highway IS located the White Sands Missile Proving Range which is where Werner von Braun and his German colleagues taught US Military scientists and developed guided missile technology. And of course, White Sands was the original Trinity Test Facility, where the first two nuclear weapons were detonated during this seeding cycle. Highway 54 is the area where numerous range scientist (reported by EP TV stations) interacted (CE-V) with Aliens who landed their craft nearby. WSMR was recently renamed "HELSTF" for "High Energy Laser Test Facility", and is the location where tactical Directed Energy Weapons (Star Wars) are routinely tested.
In terms of air-miles, EL Paso (which is the site of the world's largest US Army training center) LANL is a short hop-skip-and-a-jump. The Phoenix Lights event of ~1998 originate over the bedrooms of LANL employees and terminated three days later when the Alien pods left the United States entering Aqua Prieta Mexico following the highway. The pods were followed by element of the SOC helicopters stantioned at the USS Army Ft Huachuca Electronics Information Command.
Re; possible Alien agressive behaviors, nearly ALL AOP observations are in and around the world's military bases.
Love - tron
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Re: Iron Canyon
Fri, February 22, 2008 - 8:39 AM
The El Paso Mountains Wilderness is but a small part of the range, encompassing just Black Mountain itself. The rest of the range is mostly non-wilderness land managed by the BLM, with a few private holdings interspersed (some of which are active mining claims, though not so much for gold anymore).
There are a great many mysteries on Black Mountain, but no stories related to aliens or "manchines"; mostly just prehistoric artifacts (house rings, tool chippings, etc., from the Kawaiisu indians who regard Black Mountain as a sacred place, and are said to have had large annual inter-tribal gatherings there). The Wilderness and much of the surrounding area is considered an ACEC (Area of Critical Environmental Concern); if you go, tread lightly, take nothing, leave no trace. And never touch rock art: not only do the oils on human hands alter the stone patina which has a minute but measurable effect on image degradation, but Kawaiisu legend says that touching rock art will make you go blind. Best to heed those who made it, out of respect if nothing else.
The "Iron Canyon" noted on the USGS topos is southeast of Black Mountain, just above the old ghost town ruins of Garlock:
www.topozone.com/map.asp
I have a hiking guide of Red Rock Canyon State Park which also lists what most call "Scenic Canyon" as being "Iron Canyon". That one's to the west of what the USGS calls Iron Canyon, inside the park boundaries.
Some other maps list the canyon to the west of Mesquite Canyon as "Iron Canyon", but I'm assuming both those and the RRCSP hiking guide are just wrong.
But when we're talking about folklore, sometimes an unofficial name is the one people are using, so we can't rule out that the "manchines" may be in any of three locations (if, of course, such things exist at all).
Given the USGS process for making topos, and the generally high quality of the groundwork done for them on the El Pasos, I would try to one listed on the USGS maps first.
This would also seem to correspond most closely with the folklore, much of it from people in Randsburg (just southeast of Garlock), who refer to Iron Canyon as being very close to Randsburg. Of the three possible Iron Canyons, the one on the USGS is the closest to Randsburg.
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